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  • Fertility Awareness/natural family planning

    I am a trainee instructor in the above - basically I teach a method of charting where you observe cervical mucus by looking at what's on the tissue when you wipe as you go to the loo.  This can then be used to either achieve or avoid a pregnancy i.e. you either have sex on your fertile days or not!

    I'm working on a promotional leaflet at the moment - I want to try and capture people's imagination and also dispel any misgivings they might have about natural methods.  So - I need to pick your brains.  What are your feelings about natural methods?  If you think they don't work, why not?  What information would you like to see in a leaflet that would make you pick it up?

    Thanks!

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  • Re: Fertility Awareness/natural family planning

    I have major misgivings about it, sorry. I am aware of my fertility because I want to conceive and recognise the differences in my CM etc but would NEVER use it to avoid pregnancy and certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone, sorry.

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    You're not alone in that I am sure - which is why I'm trying to pin down specific reasons people might have...for you, is it just plain and simple that you don't think it would work/would be unreliable?  (This is really useful, thank you!)

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    For me I'm just really sceptical, if it wa that easy, we'd all be upduffed x

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    see i am open to the idea more as i cant take alot of the 'normal' hormonal contraceptives so sound like a good idea for me to do although i still wouldnt go for it unless a pregancy wouldnt be the end of the world

    reasons are

    1. too complcated

    2. what if i forget to check/get it wrong

    3. arent all bodies different some people are still fertile on their period/have 2 lots of fetile time a month how can one meathod suit all of that

    4. people go through all kinds of tests to find their fertile moments yet you can tell by CM

    5. the whole using condoms not using condoms may as well just use them and be done with it

     

    as for a leaflet i have no idea i think it is usually frowned upon as you dont want say people with multiple partners or young girls thinking it was ok to do but wouldnt follow it through from what i know from looking into it it is quite complicated as opposed to taking a pill/injection/coil etc

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    Thanks ladies, this is really useful.  I'm thinking that success/reliability figures would be important to people, and perhaps some real-life accounts too?  I'm especially interested in those who are happy that charting works to help conceive, but not to avoid a pregnancy - and I think there will be a lot of potential customers who fit into this category.

    6 m/cAngel

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    1 beautiful little boy, William John 28/2/2012 7lb 7

  • Re: Fertility Awareness/natural family planning

    skybluesarah:

    You're not alone in that I am sure - which is why I'm trying to pin down specific reasons people might have...for you, is it just plain and simple that you don't think it would work/would be unreliable?  (This is really useful, thank you!)

    Its not that I think it is unreliable, its that IT IS unreliable. Humans have hidden ovulation. We have hints and signs that we are ovulating and we can try and guess around them but it is not reliable. We also have the problem of double ovulation so you may think your 'dangerous' stage is past but you could then ovulate again later in the month and you run the risk of conceiving again. and the problem with getting pregnant when you don't want to be does not have an easy natural soltuion to it. So although I am aware of my body for trying to conceive and would think I am fairly in tune with it I would never use that as a method to stop myself conceiving.

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    Will try and come back to this later as there is more I can happily spout on the subjectLaugh

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  • Re: Fertility Awareness/natural family planning

    Brill, pea in a pod, thank you..I can definitely answer all those questions in the leaflet, they are really useful.  And you're right 1stBaby - charting isn't a magic wand..I should know - it took me years to get Colette because of underlying problems which were picked up by charting but required medication and operations to correct. 

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    Heheee...thanks Pittabre - I can definitely cover what you are saying in my material.  And don't worry - I'm happy for us to disagree on this one, life would be dull if we all thought the same!  It's nice to get some views so that I can get a realistic idea of my market so to speak.  But I promise I shan't try and recruit you as a client!

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    1 beautiful little boy, William John 28/2/2012 7lb 7

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    Hmmmm... I used charting (just observing CM first time, and then taking temp and observing CM second time) to get pregnant and it worked incredibly well for us (1st month with my daughter and 2nd month with my son!).  However I wouldn't use it as a reliable method of preventing a pregnancy.  If we would be happy to have a 3rd, but just not actively TTC then yes I would use it, but definately not if a pregnancy would be a disaster (which it would right now!).

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  • Re: Fertility Awareness/natural family planning

    skybluesarah:

    Heheee...thanks Pittabre - I can definitely cover what you are saying in my material.  And don't worry - I'm happy for us to disagree on this one, life would be dull if we all thought the same!  It's nice to get some views so that I can get a realistic idea of my market so to speak.  But I promise I shan't try and recruit you as a client!

     

    I guess I am pretty uncomfortable with it because you are going to be charging people for this info.. I'm assuming you aren't doing it out of the goodness of your heart and that makes me feel uncomfortable.

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    Ah, ok.  Well - I do charge for materials and follow ups - there's a manual and chart - and also I have fortnightly follow-ups with my clients where we review their chart, go through any questions etc, as well as answering any ad hoc queries they have inbetween. The leaflet itself would just be a quick introduction for promotional purposes rather than something that they could go away and use in isolation if that makes sense.

    However, if a client said to me they could not afford to pay me I would still take them on - one of the key ethics I have had to agree to in my training is not to deny anyone the service simply for financial reasons.

    6 m/cAngel

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    1 beautiful little boy, William John 28/2/2012 7lb 7

  • Re: Fertility Awareness/natural family planning

    Speaking as a scientist, and therefore from a purely scientific point of view, it IS totally unreliable. If you use the bog standard 28 day cycle, day 14 as ovulation, and all the appropriate CM changes within the cycle (and assuming they are in fact an accurate indicator of fertile periods), there's absolutely NO guarantee that you'll avoid pregnancy just by not DTD on the day you're ovulating or more fertile. Just like there's no guarantee you'll conceive if you DTD on the days you ARE 'fertile'.
    Sperm lives and survives for up to 5 days in the uterus. And once an egg is released, it can survive for a couple of days. If you DTD 5 days before ovulation, which could well be possible as CM changes so quickly, then there's potential there for fewrtilisation. Likewise, if you DTD 2 days after ovulation, when you're technically home and dry (so to speak), then there's also potential for fertilisation there too.

    There's also the fact that you subconsciously feel more in the mood for sex when you're most fertile, and less so when you're less/not fertile. Its natures way of helping procreation along.

    Add in the fact that you'll be hard pushed to find many people with a 'normal' cycle. Everyone is soooo different, and what works for one person won't necessarily apply to another.
    Also, why do you think all the Catholic families (more so from previous generations, but still in some families and regions/countries nowadays) have lots of children? Look up the Duggar family as an example of not using contraception/natural family planning. Its an eye-opener, thats for sure!

    Sorry, thats turned out rather ranty. Hope it helps in some way though!

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    I love the Duggars! Completely barking mad...

     

    You are quite right with everything you say Mazzy - that's why the method I teach is tailored to the individual, i.e. does not assume ovulation on day 14 or a standard 28 day cycle - in fact, that's one of the biggest myths we dispel.  We also teach exactly what you say about how long the sperm can live in the body (especially with good mucus).  So the fertile window is different for every person.

    6 m/cAngel

    1 beautiful little girl, Colette Anne 25/11/09 9lb 14

    1 beautiful little boy, William John 28/2/2012 7lb 7

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